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Jul 25, 2010 10:37 am
video topics
how about a demo and detailed work-up of ju-no-kata?video topics
Started by Patrick Parker · Jul 25, 2010 · 8 posts
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Jul 26, 2010 9:34 am
i'd like to maybe bring Carla Martin up OKC to do a seminar on it and film that someday.... my own knowldge of it is meger---Carla has some deep background to offer
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Jul 27, 2010 7:55 am
Carla would be the natural choice, as she is a direct student of Fukuda Sensei. Great Idea.
BTW... some months ago you guys were talking about possibly re-working your grading requirements based on goshinjutsu. junokata would be another natural choice. Some years back I had my white belts working on junokata for a couple of years. they wound up quite proficient at judo.
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BTW... some months ago you guys were talking about possibly re-working your grading requirements based on goshinjutsu. junokata would be another natural choice. Some years back I had my white belts working on junokata for a couple of years. they wound up quite proficient at judo.
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Jul 27, 2010 12:28 pm
yes kata requirement wise i think nage no kata is still fine but i am also happy to enteratin goshinjitsu, junokata, itsutsu no kata, and koshiki no kata which all seem pretty relevant and in some ways more interesting to me -- will you say more about your experience with the ju no kata work?
(121 posts)
Jul 27, 2010 3:53 pm
Well, junokata is very refined, or very abstract (depending on whether you like it or not) 😂 you pretty much have to just get over the weird formality.
Things I like about junokata include:
it helps cement a proper definition of "ju" in the players minds. By this I mean, some folks think that ju means flaccid or lazy, and junokata is neither. It also helps folks understand ukemi because uke is non-flaccid. If you do the techniques wrong at that slow speed then you feel uke's strength and weight, so uke sorta sets up a position that is strong in one particular way and tori bypasses that strength to get to the juicy parts of uke. Still not a resistant uke, but not a flaccid, compliant uke either.
although the attacks are abstract, they are representative of a variety of combative attacks, as opposed to nagenokata (much of which is done with sleeve and collar grips). So you are getting experience in hamarejudo.
teaches footwork, body management, etc... how to move around in close proximity to uke
teaches hip throws and some of the crazier stuff like uranage and makikomi without requiring falls. also highlights some stuff we don't often practice, like left-sided hipthrows.
allows tori and uke to experiment with, and gain a better understanding of what I like to call the "point of no return." This is the point in the throw where uke is right on the edge of having to fall, teetering on the brink. One more inch or one more iota of momentum and uke has to do a fall. Typically in nagekomi and in randori we speed through the point of no return to get uke over the edge so he has to fall. in this kata we get to examine in depth the first half of kake - before the point of no return.
doing the stuff that slowly and that close to the edge is a great precision-builder and strength builder. junokata will exhaust you until you start doing it in a ju-ish manner 😂
I have found that white belts pick it up as easily as anyone else and it gives them some of the benefits above while they are still learning how to fall.
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Things I like about junokata include:
it helps cement a proper definition of "ju" in the players minds. By this I mean, some folks think that ju means flaccid or lazy, and junokata is neither. It also helps folks understand ukemi because uke is non-flaccid. If you do the techniques wrong at that slow speed then you feel uke's strength and weight, so uke sorta sets up a position that is strong in one particular way and tori bypasses that strength to get to the juicy parts of uke. Still not a resistant uke, but not a flaccid, compliant uke either.
although the attacks are abstract, they are representative of a variety of combative attacks, as opposed to nagenokata (much of which is done with sleeve and collar grips). So you are getting experience in hamarejudo.
teaches footwork, body management, etc... how to move around in close proximity to uke
teaches hip throws and some of the crazier stuff like uranage and makikomi without requiring falls. also highlights some stuff we don't often practice, like left-sided hipthrows.
allows tori and uke to experiment with, and gain a better understanding of what I like to call the "point of no return." This is the point in the throw where uke is right on the edge of having to fall, teetering on the brink. One more inch or one more iota of momentum and uke has to do a fall. Typically in nagekomi and in randori we speed through the point of no return to get uke over the edge so he has to fall. in this kata we get to examine in depth the first half of kake - before the point of no return.
doing the stuff that slowly and that close to the edge is a great precision-builder and strength builder. junokata will exhaust you until you start doing it in a ju-ish manner 😂
I have found that white belts pick it up as easily as anyone else and it gives them some of the benefits above while they are still learning how to fall.
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Jul 28, 2010 9:34 am
Sounds like YOU might should do the film, Pat!
(583 posts)
Jul 28, 2010 9:57 am
right on! flip that camera on Pat and send out some lessons on Junokata!
(121 posts)
Jul 28, 2010 11:34 am
hmmm... I might can work something up for you... it'll take some time...
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