Kaze Uta Budo Kai Forum Archive

cool stuff you've got here--
strictly speaking the hand change is not necessary to shomen ate as you point out but it is an important skill for people top develop -- time consuming though it may be since we all do wind up in this cross handed inside condition in randori and in self defense and we need to build skill sets that address the problem or get thumped in the head alot -- hand change to center line control and later hip switch and fly wheel action all play a role here in this reactive skill set

the multiple sequential structures for delivery of energy are are fun and the tying it to kubi garuma is also cool stuff- i like

on the form that you are moving away from
i would say there is still a strong case for the straight shot but it is non obvious in normal polite play where ducking out, walking off, and slipping the blow are possible-- the tighter body drop forms you are working with do really well in dealing with these however

the straight shot in its more dangerous (i would argue self defense oriented form) involves not displacing the head a few inches as we normally practice but perhaps a few feet and is far less likely to be countered by ducking, walking off or slipping stuff-- crash pads are highly recommended if you play with this form as it can often result in really awful ukemi even for skilled ukes

According to Kano's training philosophy, doesn't a technique become invalid if we can't work it in randori at a brisk speed. A technique application that becomes too dangerous to use becomes like the jujitsu spine breaks, too dangerous to practice, not being able to practice renders it ineffective in real situations.

I spent a few more hours working shomen ate versus a Bjj guy today. things are coming together nicely. A more complete idea is quickly emmerging.

Good question Eric --
Indeed i think we practice it constantly -- in the tomiki sytstem it is perhaps one of the two most practiced techniques we do in fact-- we just do not often realize it in its full blown form -- the difference that i am describing requires only a slight adjustment of intent-- you do have to consciously pull the trigger-- but it is a difference, not in kind but in degree

there actually is a similar facility in judo that we rarely realize but that is always already there-- and little adjustment, a little choice and it becomes a whole nother very dangerous animal indeed-- again for "special ocassions" only

it is interesting that we do not habituate these skills in their full tilt bozo form but we build them and hone them and they are at our fingertips just the same-- a little change of intention and shazam we aint in kansas anymore

"full tilt bozo form" is the Lowryism for the week!

I might rename my art form that!

I remember Tanaka Sensei saying something to the effect of... Kata is where we learn and play with the theory of the techniques. When practicing the Junanna hon no kata always keep the spirit or the original intent of the waza in mind.

Agreed with William on this. Ray had me read something that Tomiki himself said once..... I forget the complete quote, but it was picturesque...

Something about randori filling in the red in the eye of the painted dragon that one learns from practicing the kata.... where is that quote...

Found something:



Randori practice, sparring practice, is something that is done to give life to, and demonstrate the real power of, those techniques that were first learned by the student through kata. That is to say, randori provides the means to complete a painted dragon by filling in the eyes. The martial arts techniques of the old jujutsu schools, however, were quite varied and had numerous styles of hand to hand combat. Thus, it was impossible to incorporate all of these styles, let alone their accompanying techniques, into a single system of randori training. In emphasizing the nage-waza, the throwing techniques, Judo had perforce to largely leave out the atemi-waza, or striking techniques, and the kansetsu-waza, or joint locking techniques. Accordingly, I have brought together the important parts of the atemi-waza and kansetsu-waza, and the organization of another system of randori training is the subject that remains before us.

From: http://www.centrallondonshodokanaikido.co.uk/training/

** I "think" that it's Tomiki Kenji's quote, but it might have been mis-cited? Who knows whose it is? Could be Sensei Kano, maybe?

it is tomiki --i think in his 1956 book perhaps