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I am sure many of you are familiar with this type of Judo, I was not and found this an interesting read as I am starting to do more 'homework' and research on Judo in my free time. There are some interesting links at the bottom of the page as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosen_Judo

In your opinion, what style do we lean toward here @ Windsong? Kodokan, Kosen, somewhere in the middle, something completely different? Just curious, look forward to reading your responses / opinions.

My opinion is, I don't really care..I just know it's good, effective and I'm glad we have many long time players, etc. out there who have done their research and 'homework' long ago so you can pass it along to the rest of us in an effective easy to understand manner.

That's interesting, because I hadn't heard of it either. I'd be interested to here the answer, too!

probably best to describe what we do here as pre-weight class (1950's) Kodokan kenshusei Judo -- tachi waza largely derived from the training lineage of Nagaoka and Osawa with a strong element of Usejima, Shirai and Okada in neiwaza

Thank you Nick. I absolutely didn't understand any of that, but it should give me something to look into. 😉

Wasn't the Kosen style largely a high-school/collegiate form?

The videos I've seen of Kosen Judo are fairly impressive. Most have very smooth entries from throwing work into ground work.

I have several videos saveda s files, if anyone is interested.

I would enjoy seeing them. Is there a way you can post them here?

You can probably search Kosen Judo on YouTube. That's where I first picked up on it.

Chris, if you have the videos in WMV or MP4 let me know. I can work with you to upload them to the server and we can host them here.

Hi everyone - I am new here and am one of the Moderators from the Judo Forum. I like exploring the traditional aspects of judo and thought I would sign up to this Forum.

As for Kosen Judo, well....

The whole issue of Kosen Judo is a massive red herring and its significance both within judo, as well as any influence it may have had outside of judo, has been significantly inflated due to recent interest in ground fighting emerging from MMA/BJJ etc.. Kosen Judo does not exist independent of Kodokan Judo and anything labelled "Kosen Judo" could equally be entitled "The Newaza of Kodokan Judo".

The origins of what is known as Kosen Judo are indeed in the school system as Kyle Sloan stated.

In more detail, judo was introduced to the Japanese school system in 1914. The judo syllabus for the middle school was almost entirely ne-waza in order to minimize injuries. By secondary or high school, more tachi-waza was added and at the college or university level, the ratio was more like 50/50 tachi-waza to ne-waza.

The so-called Kosen Judo rules differed from Kodokan Judo rules in that matches were allowed to continue in ne-waza even if no progress in technique was evident, but the techniques used are the same. Also, there was the so-called "Kosen Rule" that permitted you to enter directly into newaza without first applying tachiwaza. In other words, they explicitly permitted "drag-downs" as well as tactics like walking into the centre of the mat and sitting or lying down, before coming to grips. This was the rule that Kano later changed.

Kosen is actually a contraction of:

Koutogakko 高等学校 = High School

PLUS

Senmongakko 専門学校 = Technical or Professional College

EQUALS

Koutosenmongakko 高等専門学校 = High Schools & Universities i.e. "Scholastic," in this case referring to what we might label an Interscholastic Judo League

Hope this helps.

Thanks for joining us!

That's one of best summaries of Kosen Judo I've seen anywhere. You make an interesting point in that I'd never personally ran across Kosen Judo until one of my MMA friends sent me a link to it.

Llyr Jones wrote:Hi everyone - I am new here and am one of the Moderators from the Judo Forum. I like exploring the traditional aspects of judo and thought I would sign up to this Forum.

As for Kosen Judo, well....

The whole issue of Kosen Judo is a massive red herring and its significance both within judo, as well as any influence it may have had outside of judo, has been significantly inflated due to recent interest in ground fighting emerging from MMA/BJJ etc.. Kosen Judo does not exist independent of Kodokan Judo and anything labelled "Kosen Judo" could equally be entitled "The Newaza of Kodokan Judo".

The origins of what is known as Kosen Judo are indeed in the school system as Kyle Sloan stated.

In more detail, judo was introduced to the Japanese school system in 1914. The judo syllabus for the middle school was almost entirely ne-waza in order to minimize injuries. By secondary or high school, more tachi-waza was added and at the college or university level, the ratio was more like 50/50 tachi-waza to ne-waza.

The so-called Kosen Judo rules differed from Kodokan Judo rules in that matches were allowed to continue in ne-waza even if no progress in technique was evident, but the techniques used are the same. Also, there was the so-called "Kosen Rule" that permitted you to enter directly into newaza without first applying tachiwaza. In other words, they explicitly permitted "drag-downs" as well as tactics like walking into the centre of the mat and sitting or lying down, before coming to grips. This was the rule that Kano later changed.

Kosen is actually a contraction of:

Koutogakko 高等学校 = High School

PLUS

Senmongakko 専門学校 = Technical or Professional College

EQUALS

Koutosenmongakko 高等専門学校 = High Schools & Universities i.e. "Scholastic," in this case referring to what we might label an Interscholastic Judo League

Hope this helps.

That's the best explanation I've come across. Welcome aboard, it's nice to have people from different backgrounds contributing to the discussion.