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I was playing around a bit last week with some basic footsweeps off of #1 release.

I also happened to see a few neat Judo things 😈 Hiza-guruma, ashi-guruma, a really nasty double footsweep, uchi-mata, kouchi-gari and a few others.

Have any of you other Judoka experienced this same thing -- seeing neat Judo throws coming out of Aikido? If so, what? Where?

Back about 15 years ago I was teaching Aikido at a Rec Center and taking some Judo from Kim Mesa (nee Laney) right before my class. After Aikido class, Mark Morgan and I used to stick around and do randori outside for a while. One day I had done a lot of o-goshi in the morning, and in our aikido randori that afternoon I started repeatedly catching Mark in "koshi-nage". He must have been letting me break his balance forward and I just put my hip in front of him. The cool thing was that we never practiced koshinage in class, and I wasn't trying to get it. The movements were compatible enough that it just started happening.

Let's see.... Foot sweeps can pop up in a lot of places, so I won't go into it here. Other throws that have sort of just "popped out" from me are:

#4 Gedan ate: As I step in, I can grab uke's knees and dump him over the leg that's behind him in sukui nage.

#5 Ushiro ate: Add sort of a hiza guruma from behind (my foot on the back of uke's knee).

#6 Oshi taoshi: While pushing uke's elbow into his ear, I might be able to extend my foot in front of his far knee in a sort of ashi guruma (a little closer to him, and my leg higher up, then o guruma).

#7 Ude gaeshi: Add an o-soto or ko-soto depending on which foot I have available (I wonder what would happen to uke's arm if I have it locked up in #7 and did an o-soto makikomi? Ouch.)

#12 Kote hineri: Like in #6, ashi guruma or o guruma.

#13 Kote gaeshi: Lends itself to hiza guruma nicely. Maybe ko-uchi gari, too. I might also spin around and stick my leg out in front of uke in tai otoshi.

#14 Tenkai kote hineri: Once I have the arm and I'm standing in front of uke, I might be able to ko-soto his closest foot to sit him down backwards (maybe o-soto, but his shoulder may be in the way). Of course, I can always slide my leg out and do a side fall (same with waki gatame), but I don't know what judo throw that would correspond to.

#15 Shiho nage: Same as #7.

#17 Kote taoshi: Sneak in a foot sweep (deashi barai, I guess, like the Watanabe boys).

#18 Mae otoshi: After I release my arm coil and extend my arm across uke's torso, I might be able to grab his lapel (if I'm lucky, it's not a sure thing) and, with my leg in front of him, get a weird sort of tai otoshi.

#19 Sumi otoshi: When uke spins around from the arm coil I started in mae otoshi, I find a nice hole to jump into for various and sundry hip throws (o goshi, harai goshi) or ippon seoi nage.

#23 Hiki otoshi guruma: After I've put uke on his toes by jamming him with the arm lock, I could drop down to my knees--not out and away, extending uke over his toes like the old school "otoshi" idea, but right at his feet (like shizumi otoshi, the last one from the Big 10)--then slip my arm under uke's leg and do a modified kata guruma from my knees.

Big 10 #2 Kubi guruma: I just step in a little deeper, let my hand slip all the way past his neck and get koshi guruma.

Big 10 #3-4 Ude and hiji guruma: Put up a foot for a hiza guruma.

Big 10 #5 Aiki nage: O-soto or ko-soto.

Big 10 #9 Ushiro kubi gatame: As uke rises and you hook his jaw, there's tani otoshi, if you're into sacrifice throws.


That's all I've seen thus far, but I'm sure there's more.

With kubi-guruma in the big 10, I find myself sorely tempted to get a little cross collar grip before uke stands up 😲 Awfully nice choke lives there.