Releases leading into other throws (for good or bad)
Well, Eric's right. It's been a bit slow as of late, so here's something to stir it up.
We typically practice them against grabs at the wrist because this is the most difficult scenario for tori to deal with. Have you played with grabbing other places?
One of the things that I've been observing is a common location with foot placement in Aikido & Judo. The first step of #1 release places us in a 3 feet across-the-line position (e.g., osoto-gari) perfectly. There's a nice sumi-otoshi (Aikido or Judo) that lives in that back corner as well.
In #2 release if tori doesn't keep his/her hand in center, and if uke is coming hard with an emphasis on delivering energy to the center, we often see uke throw tori with sumi-otoshi.
What other throws/relationships have you found? Other places, where uke and/or tori, have opportunities to take advantage of mistakes?
I've actually been playing with a series of techniques stemming from releases where uke grabs at tori's elbow or upper arm (nothing earth-shattering or new, just interesting applications of existing techniques). I've been meaning to video tape it for a while, maybe this will light a fire under my butt.
Well there's alot that can be said here. I think if you study the Yonkata many of the release to technique applications present themselves. We played with the idea of moving to the back corner for releases for about a year because of what we saw in the Yonkata. If you do, you get dramatic drop and rise functions that you can use to your advantage. All the techniques will present themselves using this principle.
As far as grabbing different places on the body, I have been allowing uke to grab during multiple attacks. The closer you get to the torso, the worse it gets. Releasing to the outside of the arm tends to create arm bars from hell and releasing to the inside of the arm tends to create big air falls and this is without the use of your arms at all, just stepping and rotating to one side or the other. (like Kitty's demonstration during the summer) If you do use your arms it gets even worser! Especially if you use the pit of ukes elbow to your advantage. (inside or outside)
I have been playing alot with the conditions of double wrist grab working off Kogure's stuff and combining it with ideas from the #10 chain material -- lots of cool stuff to play with and the relationships are all typical in toshu randori play
Kyle's initial post herein has on it a premise that the grab at the wrist is the most difficult for tori to deal with.... I've always thought of that in the opposite fashion for some reason. probably because it was taught to me that way by a Korean guy, who can't do anything the Japanese do, in Hapkido.
In our Hapkido system, we had some teaching "techniques," very much like our Basic 17 kata, designed to bring the nearly infinite possibilities in which an opponent could grab you, and funnel all of these down into a few, manageable reactions.
There were 10, and we did them, varying them only slightly, whether grasped by uke, though we didn't call him that, mirror-hand, cross-hand, on the forearm, at the elbow, on the uper-arm (humerus), at the shoulder on the front, at the top or back of the shoulder, at the lapel, at the rear of the collar, and on top of the head if one had a handle up there, ii.e. long hair.
The neat thing about it was that the same joint-manipulation techniques would be available to defensive tori from all these grabs/grasps, with only minor and insignificant variations to the manner in which tori began the movement.
On Kyle's subject, I don't see the osoto-gari on the 1st release, but the 2nd technique of the 17, Aigame-ate screeaaammsss osoto at me, as does #5 of the Big 10, which some folks call aki-nage and others irimi-nage.
Here's a couple that come to mind on this old, but interesting thread....
2nd release to deashi, or kosoto-gake
4th release right into gaden ate, need a crumpling kazushi though
3rd release right into a wakigatame, one-handed or two, your preference...
I can keep going, this is one of my favorite things...